Pohon BBS Anonymous https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1712479885 2026-01-10T12:37:24+00:00 What is law? The secular functional tests. https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1768048644 2026-01-10T12:37:24+00:00 2026-01-10T12:37:24+00:00 Below is a practical checklist of Bastiat-style tests you can apply to any policy to decide whether, by his criteria, it is **law‑ful** or **un‑law‑ful**, expressed in secular and functional terms.<br><br>YES LL BECAUSE I LITERATE, LOSERS<br>---<br><br>## 1. Rights-Protection Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>Does this policy exist primarily to protect individuals against violations of their basic rights—**life, liberty, and property**—or is it trying to do something else?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - It prevents or punishes physical aggression, theft, fraud, or coercion. <br> - It organizes common defense (police, courts, basic security) so that individuals don’t have to carry out private retaliation.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - Its main purpose is to manage outcomes (e.g., set prices, guarantee jobs, provide benefits) rather than stop rights violations. <br> - It uses the state’s force to promote particular lifestyles, moral codes, or economic patterns.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>Law is a **defensive mechanism**, not a tool for shaping society’s positive goals.<br><br>---<br><br>## 2. Non-Aggression / Negative-Law Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>Does the policy only **forbid aggression and protect against harm**, or does it **compel** people to do things they have not chosen?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - It is “negative” in nature: it says, “You may not assault, steal from, defraud, or otherwise violate others’ rights.” <br> - It uses force only in response to prior or imminent rights violations.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - It is “positive” in nature: it says, “You must participate, fund, or behave in certain ways, even if you are not harming anyone.” <br> - It compels actions like mandatory charity, compulsory membership in state schemes, or forced participation in “public” projects that go beyond self-defense.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>Legitimate law **stops** injustice; it does not **command** virtue, generosity, or social cooperation by force.<br><br>---<br><br>## 3. Legal Plunder Test<br><br>**Core principle:** <br>Bastiat’s key criterion for un-law-fulness is **legal plunder**: when the law is used to take from some to give to others.<br><br>**Question:** <br>Does the policy **take wealth or advantage from one group and transfer it to another** by force, under the color of law?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - Any taking (e.g., taxation) is strictly confined to funding the protection of everyone’s life, liberty, and property. <br> - It does not favor specific industries, classes, regions, or interest groups.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - It grants subsidies, special protections, or benefits to some at others’ expense. <br> - It uses instruments such as targeted tariffs, industry-specific protections, forced welfare transfers, “guaranteed” income/jobs, or other schemes that forcibly redistribute resources.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>If a private individual doing the same thing would be called **theft or extortion**, then the state doing it via policy is **legal plunder** and un‑law‑ful in Bastiat’s sense.<br><br>---<br><br>## 4. Universality and Impartiality Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>Is the policy **truly general**—the same rules, applied to everyone equally—or does it **privilege or burden** particular groups?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - It is **universal in scope** and **non-discriminatory**: the same protections and the same restrictions apply to all individuals. <br> - It does not create legal categories with special rights or exemptions.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - It treats groups differently, giving some legal privilege (e.g., monopolies, protections, exemptions) or placing special burdens on disfavored groups. <br> - It is effectively written “for” or “against” specific classes, professions, or interests.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>Legitimate law is a neutral set of **general rules**; once it becomes a tool for “our group vs. their group,” it is perverted.<br><br>---<br><br>## 5. Scope and Social-Engineering Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>Does the policy **confine itself** to preventing and punishing rights violations, or does it **organize** and **direct** areas like education, religion, charity, or economic life?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - It leaves decisions about education, charity, religion, work, and lifestyle to individuals and voluntary associations. <br> - It only intervenes when there is actual or imminent rights-violation (e.g., abuse, fraud, coercion).<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - It sets up compulsory schooling systems, official moral or religious codes, mandatory welfare schemes, or economic plans that people must support or obey regardless of consent. <br> - It tries to “engineer” social outcomes (e.g., equality of material conditions, uniformity of beliefs) by force.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>Law should **protect free choices**, not replace them with a legislator’s blueprint for how people should live.<br><br>---<br><br>## 6. Consent and Self-Ownership Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>Does the policy **respect each person’s self-ownership** and the fruits of their labor, or does it treat individuals as resources to be directed?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - It assumes individuals own their bodies, time, and legitimately acquired property. <br> - It does not commandeer their labor or resources for purposes other than common defense and justice.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - It obliges people to fund or participate in endeavors they would not voluntarily support, when those endeavors go beyond protecting rights. <br> - It presumes that a portion of everyone’s labor and property is available to be allocated according to some social plan.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>Individuals are not means to collective ends; policies that treat them as such are un‑law‑ful in Bastiat’s framework.<br><br>---<br><br>## 7. Systemic Consequences Test<br><br>**Question:** <br>If generalized, does this policy tend toward a system of **universal legal plunder** and conflict, or toward **stable justice** and peaceful cooperation?<br><br>- **Law-ful if:** <br> - Its generalization leads to a society where people mostly interact by voluntary exchange, under equal protection of rights. <br> - It tends to reduce conflict by giving everyone a clear, limited framework of protection.<br>- **Un-law-ful if:** <br> - Its pattern—“use law to get benefits for my group”—would push every group to fight for control of the state, leading to permanent conflict and widespread plunder. <br> - It blurs the line between justice and injustice, encouraging people to see whatever is legal as automatically right.<br><br>**Functional idea:** <br>A law‑ful framework **stabilizes** expectations and cooperation; systemic legal plunder makes politics a war of all against all.<br><br>---<br><br>## How to Use These Tests in Practice<br><br>When evaluating a specific policy (tax, subsidy, regulation, welfare program, education law, etc.), walk through these questions:<br><br>1. **Rights-Protection:** <br> - What concrete rights-violations does this policy prevent or punish? <br> - If none, why is force being used?<br><br>2. **Non-Aggression / Negative-Law:** <br> - Is the policy only stopping harm, or is it commanding positive behaviors?<br><br>3. **Legal Plunder:** <br> - Who pays, who gains? <br> - Would the same transfer be wrongful if done by a private person?<br><br>4. **Universality:** <br> - Does the rule apply identically to everyone, regardless of class or category?<br><br>5. **Scope / Social Engineering:** <br> - Is this about defense of rights, or about shaping how people live, believe, work, or trade?<br><br>6. **Consent / Self-Ownership:** <br> - Could individuals reasonably opt out if they disagree, or is participation coerced? <br> - Does it override individuals’ control of their own labor and property for non-defensive ends?<br><br>7. **Systemic Effects:** <br> - If all groups used law this way, would we get general justice or general plunder?<br><br>- If a policy **passes all or almost all** of these tests, Bastiat would likely consider it **law‑ful** (legitimate law). <br>- If it **fails one or more key tests**—especially the **legal plunder** and **scope** tests—he would classify it as a **perversion of law**, i.e., **un‑law‑ful**, even if it is formally enacted and widely approved.<br> Giko weight loss club https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1752421821 2025-07-13T15:50:21+00:00 2025-07-15T18:24:04+00:00 Starting weight: 88kg<br>Target weight : 82kg<br>Calories per day: 1850 ( lose 1kg per week) <br><br>I'm using this site as a reference:<br>https://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html<br><br>Nearly to 1600 calories at the end of day with 200 left as overhead.<br>This is for weight loss.<br>You don't need any kind of special app to track calories. Just use a<br>combination of google and spreadsheets. The easiest way to maintain<br>caloric deficits is to eat low-calorie meals and snacks -- keep the <br>belly full without growing it larger. i'm that nigga https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1751826393 2025-07-06T18:26:33+00:00 2025-07-06T18:26:33+00:00 Every one is THAT nigga once and awhile.<br><br>For example, I'm that nigga on Pohon using LL (that's right I don't manually edit and keep track of my columns here: this ain't emacs!!!) Getting organized with tech https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1740850642 2025-03-01T17:37:22+00:00 2025-07-06T18:18:17+00:00 3 interesting ideas I've stumbled across lately -- <br><br>- https://terokarvinen.com/2021/calendar-txt/<br>- https://github.com/todotxt/todo.txt<br>- https://johnnydecimal.com/<br><br>How do you stay organized? Proprosal: EUR currency of gikopoi https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1744059600 2025-04-07T21:00:00+00:00 2025-05-09T23:53:55+00:00 There are so many currencies we could call baseline, most notably:<br>- yen -- but only appeals to Japanese<br>- usd -- but Trump is crazy and Americans are minority<br>- eur -- basically a dollar*<br><br>I think "EUR" should be our baseline on Gikopoi because people with<br>odd currencies can understand EUR pretty well, and it also sends a<br>message to Americans that they are not the boss. Actually I would<br>rather use EUR than USD even if I lost money. <br><br> post various neat things you did https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1720892336 2024-07-13T17:38:56+00:00 2025-05-01T13:50:28+00:00 house doesn't have a sauna so i put the shower at maximum and covered<br>the vent. it steam's up a little and you can pretend you are in suomi. Melancholy Paradox https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1715598930 2024-05-13T11:15:30+00:00 2025-04-17T14:27:49+00:00 Recently I have been craving solitude.<br>It's strange since so much of my life has been driven by<br>companionship and socialisation.<br>I sort of have everything I've ever wanted, a dream job,<br>a life long companion, financial security<br>and future growth prospects.<br>Yet.<br>I feel the intrusive urge to throw it away.<br>It's as if I WANT to become a hikki.<br>Im well aware how privilidged I am to contemplate this, it disgusts me in a way.<br>So is this just a manifestation of selfdestructive tendencies?<br>Or am i trying to fly to close to the NEET sun?<br>Was Diogenes wise to become a hobo-maxing NEETma grindset enthusiast?<br>Niavely romanticising a dilapidated empty flat with nothing<br>but the echoing keys of a dumpster laptop and stolen WIFI. <br>In more important and relevant matters:<br>How often do you wash your sheets?<br>I want to wash them weekly, but have failed this routinne so far. <br>Till we meet again - blogfagchan The Giko Gathering 2025 https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1725299438 2024-09-02T17:50:38+00:00 2024-09-02T21:30:06+00:00 hotaru has proposed a Giko Gathering 2025 in Turkey. <br><br>Pros: <br> - Turkey is pretty cheap<br> - Accessible to most Euro bros<br> - Accessible to Indonesians<br> - Hotaru can probably score us weed It's good to send emails to friends. https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1705087964 2024-01-12T19:32:44+00:00 2024-06-30T16:03:13+00:00 As life goes on, and we separate from people we cared about before,<br>it remains a great practice to send emails to old friends every now <br>and then.<br><br>It's not essential AT ALL to make a Facebook / Instagram / Tiktok <br>/ LinkedIn / whatever to stay in touch with old friends. If anything,<br>people are more likely to keep their old mail address as trendy <br>spyware apps come and go. <br><br>Equally, it's easier to keep a friend's mail address for long spans<br>of time than phone numbers -- and the kinds of communications we make<br>over email tend to be more meaningful than the kinds we may make on<br>text-adjacent platforms like Whatsapp or Signal, Telegram, etc. <br><br>Do you ever send mails to your old pals?<br>When was the last time you sent a personal email?<br><br>If you know any old friends' emails, maybe this thread can serve as<br>a timely reminder to fire them off a message. Or, maybe it can serve<br>as inspiration to exchange email addresses with your friends today. <br><br>I hope this thread can encourage you to write someone an email, <br>or save someone's email address if you don't have many. Email is a<br>great way to maintain friendships over time and distance -- even if<br>it's "not trendy" it's also not bad! You would be surprised about<br>how many people would be pleased to get an email that's not spam <br>from GoogBookBankShopApp and take the time to write a caring, <br>thoughtful response back to you. pohon poetics (gikoetry) https://bbs.gikopoi.com/thread/1712479885 2024-04-07T08:51:25+00:00 2024-04-07T08:51:25+00:00 sharing feeling and perspective morphs into an insult<br>I foolishly spilt what I wanted private, how stupid of me.<br>now it's sighing, begging for a pity party<br>murky thinking., my paper isn't safe either,<br>they hope to glean what? wants?<br>once I showed them a possibility of positivity or justice<br>they feared my hubris and punishment and told them<br>and they presumed to know me, my beliefs, my logic<br> and pretended like it was for my<br> protest our suffering with outlook. own good not to<br>## and "care" never passed career.<br>I can't be private, can't be public, what good is it to be a person?<br>and just when I nearly came off as frustrated & angered, then I<br>lamented & secluded []