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Ginger Beer Concept (21 replies)

■ 🕑 3.
│  I see! And how did you find the carbonation?
│  I'll try to go to the store to buy the
│  ingredients today. I'll periodically
│  update here as the project moves along
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└─■ 🕑 4.
  │  > How did you find the carbonation?
  │  Dry wine (completely fermented) should not be carbonated at all.
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  │  I ferment dry, add like 4g of sugar per liter and cap the lid and wait
  │  another 2-3 weeks if I want it carbonated. This is the most surefire
  │  way to have something properly fermented and carbonated without extra
  │  specialist ingredients or equipment.
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  │  You can also just wait a day after fermentation starts, find a way
  │  to kill the yeast and put a cap on it, if you want your ginger ale on
  │  the sweeter side. Some people throw it in the fridge but you risk
  │  drinking live, active yeast (= all day diarrhea)
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  │  Or buy a sodastream machine -- bonus points for supporting our greatest
  │  ally and the only democracy in the middle east if you take this route.
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  │  Look into how people carbonate beer. They buy big expensive machines
  │  and lots of tools to optimize the process. It may be easier to make
  │  concentrated ginger ale (eg 8% alcohol and tons of ginger) and mix with
  │  soda water if you want something cheap and boozy but still DIY.
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  └─■ 🕑 5.
    │  Lots of info to consider. What
    │  does the term "dry" mean to you?
    │  I have heard it in the context
    │  of beer, like Asahi "super dry".
    │  Also, I prefer light carbonation,
    │  just enough to whet the appetite
    │  and refresh you. Not heavy
    │  carbonation you would find
    │  in a lot of commercial soda.
    │  I think I will take the soda
    │  water route just to speed up
    │  my first go at this, though.
    │  I'll call it "Pohon Beer".
    │  Maybe I can even add
    │  jalapenos - plenty of them
    │  in the building to go around!
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    └─■ 🕑 6.
        Dry = all the sugars have been fermented by the yeast to Co2 gas and
        ethanol, basically. And they produce a lot more co2 than you'd expect!
        The contrast to dry, in the context of wine, is sweet: which makes the
        meaning of "dry" more clear.
        
        There are a number of ways to determine whether dryness has been
        accomplished, fermentation has ended.
        
        The easiest way is with a hydrometer -- when the specific gravity drops
        below 0 (eg that of water), most likely all the sugar (which is more
        dense than water) is gone and has been replaced by ethanol (which is
        lighter than water). Especially when the standard gravity is below 0 and
        remains constant for several days, that's a sign the yeast have finished
        consuming alcohol, and are now cleaning up after themselves before they
        go dormant and the hooch clears up.
        
        Co2 can still be released from the liquid after fermentation has ended
        so it's not a 100% sign that fermentation is still ongoing if Co2 is
        being released.
        
        For me, where ambient temps are 25-32*C, it takes about a week for 5%
        ABV to ferment with bread yeast (~85g sugar/liter) and then about
        another week for things to settle out. Higher ABV takes longer to
        ferment and longer for yeast to clean up after themselves. And you lose
        flavor.
        
        A cheaper way to see that fermentation has completed: when your airlock
        goes inactive (either stops bubbling if it's a proper one, or the
        balloon goes limp and deflates completely, if you go the balloon route)
        screw a lid on. Check every few hours for the next day to see if
        pressure is building up: squeeze the bottle to see if it's gotten
        firmer and unscrew the lid to "burp" out any Co2 (you don't want a bomb
        going off)
        
        When you test the bottle and no more Co2 is being released in
        significant ways, after 2 or 3 days of checking, you can move onto the
        next step.
        
        This is the time when you want to add 5g/liter of sugar and possibly a
        dash more yeast before sealing the bottle and letting it sit -- I think
        10g/liter could be feasible, especially in a plastic soda bottle for a
        heavy carbonation. But you're going to have to wait at least another
        week or two for the yeast to clean up after themselves and go dormant,
        making the drink safe to drink, even though it's only the bit of Co2
        you're looking for. Using clear plastic bottles is a great way to check
        "finishing" because the drink will become very clear when it's ready
        to drink. When in doubt, wait more -- it only improves the product!
        
        All you can really do is trial and error if you don't want to research
        about the finer details of carbonation or invest in more equipment. I
        think 5g/yeast per liter once fermentation is probably a safe starting
        point. Otherwise, double the ginger and ABV, then cut with soda water
        when it ferments dry. Takes maybe 2-3 weeks for a drink to be drinkable
        after starting fermentation, but more time only helps in making things
        smoother and more subtle.
        
        Whether you add more sugar at the end to produce carbonation the old
        fashioned way or you plan to mix your dry fermented ginger ale with
        soda water, make sure to pour slowly from your fermenter -- near the end
        you'll see the nasty "lees" (dead yeast and crap), you don't want any
        of that in your final product because it tastes foul and can give you
        a tummy ache.
        
        I'm only an amateur brewer & distiller but I hope this knowledge can
        help you. Feel free to update this thread with the results of your
        experiments. Try to keep logs: date fermentation starts, recipe,
        ambient temperature, date fermentation seems to end, etc etc. Brewing
        is an art and a science: either way, notes help.
         

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